| "The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
- Hamlet III ii, 242 |
The variety of reasons given for male genital cutting (and the irrationality of many of them) is amazing. List them all together and your mind will boggle.
(All of these reasons have been seriously offered, or even led to circumcisions. All spelling and punctuation is sic.)
(Yes, there are also some good reasons.)
Posted in MSN message board 46.
April 5th, REAL PURPOSE OF CIRCUMCISION:
a little pain right after birth to innoculate the boy against the pains of life
a little tough love right off the bat
— Posted by face it to the NY Times
When you see a young baby that has a very high fever, one thing you immediately think of is a UTI. To rule it out, you need a sterile urine sample. A circumcised penis gives sterile urine naturally, but because of bacteria under the foreskin, an uncircumcised penis doesn't. So, for a proper workup, you need to tranquilize the baby and pass a tube in, and it becomes an invasive procedure just to get a sample.
Dr Edgar Schoen, in The Nest Baby Talk about snatching victory from the jaws of defeat! It was the unsterile urine samples of the intact boys that formed the basis of Tom Wiswell's (false) claim that they are more susceptible to UTIs!
... I am a Muslim American, circumcised at birth by
the will of Allah. This was His sign to me to become a Muslim. ... Were you circumcised without any reason, like already being
a Muslim? You are probably wondering why you received the sign of
circumcision. Well, welcome to this group! Here you can discover the
true reason for your circumcision from Allah, the Merciful.
The book, Symbols of Judaism states, “Circumcision is a way of introducing language into the body and bringing the body of the infant into the sphere of language…[it] enables human beings to enter into the dimension of language.” I would argue that circumcision is the human form of pruning; it is designed to prevent the child (plant) from overstepping his boundaries (becoming a hybris) by means of connecting the son to the father. This ritual of symbolic pruning essentially establishes paternal authority (though it does not establish paternity) and marks the beginning of what will hopefully become a healthy relationship with the law.
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Jack Hayford, another charismatic Baptist preacher, ... is a
frequent speaker at Promise Keepers seminars ... One of the other beliefs that Jack Hayford promotes stems from
... a vision of [Jesus] seated in heaven, ... Jesus told Hayford why God required
circumcision in the Old Testament. "God wants to touch your very
identity as a man," Hayford explained to the group, in an effort to
encourage adult circumcision on those men who had not yet
experienced the ritual. "He wants to reach out and touch your secret
and private parts. This enables Him to better perform surgery on the
heart. God wants to touch man¹s creative parts." (from a speech made by Hayford to the Promise Keepers
during their regional conference in Anaheim, California, 14 May
1994.)
Barbara Victor, "The Last Crusade, Religion and the Politics of Misdirection" And this doesn't include the underlying reasons - to show him who's in charge and what they think about his sexuality.
Back to Intactivism index page. 4 Good reasons for post-neonatal circumcision (There is nothing a baby can be born with that makes immediate (neonatal) circumcision necessary.)
ANY TIME
Rosie O'Donnell, in Redbook, October 1997/Responses to a survey conducted by Paul Baker <pbaker[AT-sign]nermal.santarosa.edu>/Joe Crummey KABC AM 790, Los Angeles Dec 5 1999
Austin0205
Message #1148
03/31/07 05:19 PM
Want to know Why I circed my sons. Ummmmm, let me think for a sec....OH yeah I know, cause I wanted to, thats why. None of you anti-circ, people bashing, assh*les know ANYTHING you just know what you read and hear. You think ONLY you are right and EVERYBODY else is wrong. But guess what, You don't get to tell us what we can do to our own children because their OUR children not yours. If you want your son to look like a freak and feel bad about himself thats fine ,what-ever-floats-your -boat. But when it come to MY child, he is under MY control till he is 18. I say what goes, not him. When we ALL become parents, we have to make a decision right or wrong but it is ours to make. Not yours or Joe Shmo down the steet. I gave birth to my beautiful sons and I am the one to make that choice for him because he can't. So stop making parents that have circed their sons feel bad about because they shouldn't, its their child so keep you big fat fuukin noses out of our(their) buisness....To each their own.
Actor Tony Randall on the Late Late Show, Oct 6, 1998 / said to a man being operated on for kidney stones / Told by a doctor to T--, now a restoring father
Said to the source's mother-in-law in 1971 at Baptist Hospital, Lynchburg VA - <japg[AT-sign]mindspring.com>
Said to the doctor by the father of a schoolmate of hoodyh1(AT)yahoo.co.nz, posting to Circumsexual(AT)yahoogroups.com on Aug 14, 2007
This may have been true: hoodyh1
was told "it was expected by the college that a circumcision would take place regardless of the students wishes."
Told to a schoolmate of matelot923(AT)yahoo.com, posting to Circumsexual(AT)yahoogroups.com on Aug 14, 2007
The Hite Report on Male Sexuality, pp. 397-398 / Sara, writing to Chatelaine
According to a patient of Phil Nguyen, Indiana U School of Medicine
feedback from M Hogan
NEONATAL
- response by an expectant mother, having been told that circumcision is torturous and denies his right to choose.
"Until the Second World War it was regarded as a class symbol in many parts of western European society [False - only the UK]: in the eyes of the poor, circumcision was evidence that a boy's parents were affluent enough to afford some medical treatment." - Dr Thomas Stuttaford in The Times Online
Response to a survey conducted by Paul Baker <pbaker[AT-sign]nermal.santarosa.edu>
posted to <Glharryman[AT-sign]aol.com>
Told by (ERWI2)<erwi2[AT-sign]aol.com>
A woman on the circumcision board at Parentsoup
According to (JL) <merilin[AT-sign]winternet.com>
Response to a survey conducted by Paul Baker <pbaker[AT-sign]nermal.santarosa.edu> / Shannon M. Corn of Knightdale, North Carolina, quoted in the Raleigh News and Observer, 31 Oct 2001 / Response to a survey conducted by Paul Baker <pbaker[AT-sign]nermal.santarosa.edu> / Bryce Courtenay in April Fool's Day. His son was haemophilic and nearly died. / Karijoy writing in the SheKnows blog, March 2008.
feedback from <ALibLaiR18[AT-sign]aol.com>
feedback from <ALibLaiR18[AT-sign]aol.com>
Told in Guadalajara to Dr Sergio Aquilar, who told Gary Harriman<Glharryman[AT-sign]aol.com>
Reported in Canadian Medical Association Journal, Vol 95 (Sept 10, 1966), pages 576-581/Said to the mother of Neal Smith <neal_smith[AT-sign]rocketmail.com> North Carolina, 1940
/ According to <JJMaloneJr[AT-sign]aol.com> / Comment by MizMoxie at this isby.us on April 25, 2008
Mother of Kerri W. on AOL MomsOnline
/Told to Susan Peer <susan[AT-sign]noln.com>/Told to Curt Geiler <curt[AT-sign]null.net>
2007
7:10 pm
The baby had been born premature, and was in an incubator. Shalom Auslander in his book Foreskin's Lament
Said by a doctor to Brooke Channell who tells her story on blOUCH!: the circumcision was botched, the baby haemorrhaged, almost died, and will need more surgery.
According to Gwen A Orel <gaost3+[AT-sign]pitt.edu> 5 October 1996
( ! )
/ Told to John Chastain//According to Tom H. <workhard[AT-sign]home.com> of Oshawa, Southern Ontario / / T.G.'s mother, told to Ken Drabik/Reported by John M Foley MD in FACT magazine, July - August 1966 / Told to Amber Craig <jcraig2[AT-sign]ibm.net> at the Charlotte, N.C., Baby Show, 6 Nov 99/Told to neighbors of "mattdog" <mattdog[AT-sign]goldrush.com>, now in their 70's, by both Kaiser Hospital and San Jose Memorial Hospital, now part of Stanford University medical school.
Told by his mother to Mike Giamo <giamomj[AT-sign]post.drexel.edu>
"In Uganda, the increase [in the circumcision rate] is
due not only to HIV risk prevention -- but also because some parents
believe that a circumcised child is less likely to be kidnapped, and then
offered as a sacrifice." CBC Jan 3, 2007 [It is not clear whether the protection is magical or practical - supposing kidnappers would consider a circumcised child unsuitable for sacrificing, and check first.]
Chris Oehler <COehler[AT-sign]wow.com> had this happen to his sons - contrary to his instructions / John M Foley MD in FACT magazine, July - August 1966
I've known of doctors in clinic type settings that gladly circumcise every baby they can just because it's something that they like to do, even when they don't get paid. - Rosemary Romberg, author of Circumcision: the painful dilemma
Told by a friend to mamarama on YouTube
Told by Susan Peer to Al Field <albfie[AT-sign]worldlynx.net>
According to Len Denzo
According to Dr Thomas Wiswell/Told by a woman doctor to an intact man, as reported in a newspaper read by Chuck Kappenman <chazbsweet[AT-sign]hotmail.com>
It was "Derek Townsend"'s mother / Said by <notw[AT-sign]my-deja.com>'s girlfriend, told on alt.circumcision
A mother to nurse Mary Conant <wholebaby2[AT-sign]juno.com>
Blue Cross Blue Shield of Utah vice-president W. Knox Fitzpatrick
...the midwife told me that 20 % city people circumcise, and 50% country do it. We are from a country town, so i guess we fit into that. Jennifer05 at Bub Hub
//According to <prhagen[AT-sign]bitstream.net> (Paul Hagen
According to Michael Lines' <linesm[AT-sign]gnn.com> sister in law
So said Bob Cohen in Living Marxism, May 1996 ////Given by Don Morgan/the case of a guest on an aborted Dr Laura show Sept 18, 2000/The uncle was Fred Bradford <avpower[AT-sign]pacbell.net>
A British nanny, Angela, cited by "The Cutter" <cutter[AT-sign]circum.demon.co.uk>
A father to nurse Mary Conant <wholebaby2[AT-sign]juno.com> / A mother to nurse Mary Conant <wholebaby2[AT-sign]juno.com>
Joe Crummey KABC AM 790, Los Angeles Dec 5 1999
[Well, Duh! And why should he be circumcised later?]
(...so now he can question why they look the same...)
/ A (former?) friend of Rockett <dropforged[AT-sign]sprintmail.com>
Mrs Ines Ford-Bruins in the NZ Sunday Star-Times (Nov 9, 2003), New Zealand, where routine circumcision is almost obsolete
Husband of mattdog[AT-sign]pacific.net 's niece
(The father's foreskin "had torn during intercourse" - it was probably his frenulum, but in any case circumcision was not required. Wasn't the son lucky his father never had his arm amputated!)
"Tilly" <climbaboard[AT-sign]hotmail.com> on alt.circumcision, 12 August 2003
(Her second husband wanted the boy cut and she didn't want to have a big argument. )
She'd had the first son cut because she missed her dead husband's penis! Sent by remdog <remdog[AT-sign]earthlink.net>
"His perception was that the foreskin was something like the umbilical cord, and that it needed to be removed shortly after birth, lest it become the site for infection."
(Babies shouldn't be put in hot water, of course.)
Believed by a 20 y o friend of Art Boy (Jeff Borg) <artboyz[AT-sign]worldnet.att.net>
Believed for 24 years by Steve Wilder <wilder[AT-sign]ksl.stanford.edu>
A first-year medical student at the U of Chicago to Dan Strandjord" <danstrandjord[AT-sign]att.net>
This is quite false: the circumcision wound may tear.
Given on Medline: http://www.medscape.com/HomeExamRoom/spotlight/05.97-spotlight.html
(?)
Told to vuckovic[AT-sign]interaccess.com (G. Vuckovic)
////At Charity Hospital, New Orleans, told to John Erickson
/ Said by a retired OBGYN to Patricia Robinett<patricia[AT-sign]efn.org> / Said to the source's mother-in-law in 1971 at Baptist Hospital, Lynchburg VA
The surgeon spoke to Darillyn Starr <sstar[AT-sign]vii.com> / Jason Ashley / Aboard USS Peleliu in the Arabian Sea, 2 Nov 2001, Reuters / PreMEDitated by John D Cruz MD
Practice guidelines of the University of Manitoba medical school
'"I like doing circumcisions. They're fun procedures because they're one of the few procedures I can do on a healthy kid." Then she immediately said something like, "Why are you looking at me like that? I knew you wouldn't understand!" She made this comment in a roomful of other students which had two other doctors in it and they were nodding in agreement.' - a midwife posting on the Midwifery Today forum
Letter to Pediatr. Ann. 1997: 26(5): 278 from S A Bailis
Told by doctors at Kaiser Permanente to a pregnant woman who visited David Bradt's Intactivist stand at Venice Beach, Los Angeles. He succeeded in savng the baby.
POST-NEONATAL
John Cawte, cited in The Universality of Incest
Ben David <b_david2[AT-sign]netvision.net.il>
(Gen. 17:10-14)
Dr Aaron Jesin, quoted in the Toronto eye, 7/99
The second part of this has been disputed.
http://www.shemayisrael.com/mikvah/britmilah1.html
Rabbi Lawrence, in "The Naked Penis" TV3 New Zealand, May 30, 2001
posted by "paying3tuitions" at College Confidential
(which was facilitated by circumcision)
"Curt to the point of rudeness, [the
mohel] shouted over the baby's cries that every time we circumcise a Jewish
child, we are getting revenge upon the anti-Semites who wanted to crush
us." - Lila Hanft, Becoming a Jewish Mother
Helen Latner, columnist for Jewish Week, quoted in "Humanistic Judaism. Volume 1, No 4 (Winter 1983) pp 46-6 no. 4 (Winter 1983): pp. 43-46
"Ancient ritual does no harm", Catherine Ford, Calgary Herald, March 31, 2001
Davoud Jenkins has formed a Yahoo! group, Circumcised became Muslim
Gwen A Orel <gaost3+[AT-sign]pitt.edu> 3 July 1996 / Yehudi Cohen, cited in The Universality of Incest
(Cutting part off to signify union...)
According to <b_david2[AT-sign]netvision.net.il)
Ruth Ostrow, "Tradition cuts to the present" the Weekend Australian, June 16-17, 2001
According to Matt Prastein <smp[AT-sign]fgi.net>
According to CHABAD-LUBAVITCH in CYBERSPACE <listserv[AT-sign]chabad.org>
(from the Advocating Circumcision Today website)
"Yechidah" <thehealingshelf[AT}hotmail.com> on alt.circumcision, June 12 2004 (Shechinah energy is defined by Riain Barton <riain[AT]columbus.rr.com> as "the 'essence' of the Universal Deity")
(from the Advocating Circumcision Today website)
According to act-now.org, "... the blood shed is laid by the angels before G-d's palace. When the power of severe judgment is aroused in the world, the Holy One, blessed is He, looks at that blood and does not allow evil influences to do any harm."
Oedipus and Circumcision
Friends of Refugees of Eastern Europe (FREE) an arm of Chabad Lubavitch - a strict and somewhat controversial form of Orthodoxy
a common 19th century reason
A Peruvian mother said it (apparently seriously ) to Ari Zigelboim <akp[AT-sign]communique.net>
Interview with Deborah Ross, The Independent, April 20, 2002
Luke 2 21
Kay Henson <serenity[AT-sign]herbcare.com> /told to Patrick Draper <pdrap[AT-sign]ctp.com>/A caller to Dr Dean Edell, 6 Mar 1998, heard by Wayne Hampton <hampton[AT-sign]netcom.com>
Yet the chapter goes on to repudiate circumcision for Christians.
included on a painting called "Circumcision" by Samoan naïve artist Tony Schuster, April 2003
(said by a Lutheran) to Duane Voskuil <dvoskuil[AT-sign]tic.bisman.com>
(Circumcision is not among the "Gifts of the Spirit")
told to Patrick Draper <pdrap[AT-sign]ctp.com>
A couple to nurse Mary Conant <wholebaby2[AT-sign]juno.com>
"the priest does come and it is
considered a rite of passage into our faith" - a poster on a list for midwives and doulas, reported by "cam" <cmay[AT-sign]flash.net>
Markos, personal communication
the father of David Williams, <21davidwilliams[AT-sign]supanet.com>
Said to Dan Bollinger<danbollinger[AT-sign]home.com> by a Lebanese Moslem man. He replied, "Exactly what impurities would these be?" The man said nothing and changed the subject.
(But it's not in the Qur'an)
/ personal communication
Don Morgan
Canadian Medical Association Journal, Vol 95 (Sept 10, 1966), pages 576-581
CHILDHOOD
(He was 18 months old, and became an elective mute)
Grandson of a workmate of Erick L. Gustavson <egustav435[AT-sign]erols.com>
(?)
E. Ozdemir, Significantly increased complication risks with mass circumcision, British Journal of Urology (1997) 80, 136-9
"Relax, it's good for our circulation" [picture] "A BOY grimaces in pain at a mass circumcision at the offices of Kompas, Indonesia's largest daily newspaper, in Jakarta yesterday. In an Islamic rite of passage, 171
Indonesian boys were circumcised in celebration of the newspaper's 36th
birthday." - The Australian, July 6, 2001, p30 (Marketplace)
(Malaysia, Indonesia)
Reported in the Canadian Medical Association Journal, Vol 95 (Sept 10, 1966), pages 576-581
(He was, but didn't look it, so it was done again)
Told to George Hill
Told by Kent_and_Liz[AT-sign]msn.com (Liz deForest)
Father of Carla <Carmilarms[AT-sign]aol.com>
R N Jones, 1965
Theodor Reik, cited in The Universality of Incest
(Australia) / (ancient Egypt)
(Egypt)
(Australia)
(Xhosa)
(Xhosa)
John Whiting, cited in The Universality of Incest
(Xhosa - and who else?)
(Herero of Namibia)
(Kenya) "...a pet idea of [John] Manners, that the male circumcision ritual, in which boys are shamed if they react to pain, uniquely prepares Kalenjin men for the pressure of an Olympic final" (but "female circumcision" is "often debilitating"): "Fast Forward: The rise of Kenya's women runners" by Lori Shontz, Post-Gazette, Pittsburgh, PA, May 5, 2002
TIM HUISAMEN <AKTH[AT-sign]warthog.ru.ac.za> and widely reported
Rosie O'Donnell's adopted son Parker was circumcised at 18 months in a pseudo-bris.
Offered by Sean <JSQB03B[AT-sign]prodigy.com> - sent by George HIll
Medical advisor Dr Cohen on AHN TV - posted on alt.circumcision by Chele <rickw409[AT-sign]aol.com> (RickW409) 26 July 1998
Peter Frazer (Roy Cohn's lover), Arnold Schwarznegger / (Solomon Islands) personal communication
(and which one is?)
Mark H, who was cut at the last minute for this reason, and has never seen his brothers' penises / Surgeon-General Everett B. Coop, 1993
Told by the (French) older brother to Martin Novoa <acroposthion[AT-sign]hotmail.com>
"Steven Daniel"
/"bahoda" in the LA Times, March 29, 2008/(said by a woman who had broken off contact with the father before she knew she was pregnant)
John [Masseli], in NBC Today Show, Nov 9, 1998/Joe Crummey, KABC Radio, Los Angeles/ letter to Suzanne Cook <nocircofmaine[AT-sign]juno.com> / from Darilynn Starr <sstar[AT-sign]vii.com>
(This may have some basis - though not justification - in biology)
"The day I cut off my son's foreskin" by Daniel Silberman Brenner/Rabbi Joshua Hammerman in Good Weekend, May 28, 1994
Parents Magazine, February 1999/Dr Alan Greene, www.parenthoodweb.com
Reported by John M Foley MD (in FACT magazine, July - August 1966)
(posted on an email list for stay-at-home attachment parents: the first husband died before the birth of his son, and the mother posted "I took comfort that if I couldn't have my husband, at least I could have a penis I was comfortable with." )
The same woman let her second son be cut to save her marriage. Sent by remdog <remdog[AT-sign]earthlink.net>
Bruno Bettleheim cited in The Universality of Incest
(i.e. Somebody else go first.)
Bill <Wes676767[AT-sign]aol.com> on the Superconsciousness (?) list
Lisa <ljahmed[AT-sign]mailcity.com>
http://www.medscape.com/HomeExamRoom/spotlight/05.97-spotlight.html
Foreskin, p121 / Gwen A Orel <gaost3+[AT-sign]pitt.edu> 3 Dec 1996
/ James Yello <jamesyello[AT-sign]aol.com>
"Herd on the Street", Maureen Dowd, New York Times, April 11, 2001
Scientists at National Taiwan University called for volunteers, November 2004
As seen on Oprah!
Dr Gerald N. Weiss <gnweiss[AT-sign]frii.com>
HealthSCOUT, quoting "a recent issue of the American Journal of Pathology
/ / steve-o <smcarus[AT-sign]syr.edu>
/ told to Pat A Miller <patm.tapsac.nocircoh[AT-sign]juno.com>
All four told to Eileen Wayne <EileenWayne[AT-sign]aol.com> by the same woman
Dr Gerald N. Weiss <gnweiss[AT-sign]frii.com>
A friend of Anne LaMotte, quoted in her book "Operating Instructions"
Dr William Sears on ParentTime
/Steve Scott at the 6ISGI/ Dr Marianne Neifert in "Dr Mom"
Candybags <candybags[AT-sign]shaw.ca> on the circumcision_pro_or_con group, Aug 5, 2003
/ / <vuckovic[AT-sign]interaccess.com> (G. Vuckovic)
The Hite Report on Male Sexuality, pp. 397-398 / <wadi4885[AT-sign]my-dejanews.com>
A urologist to an adult man who told John D. Dalton <cole[AT-sign]dentfell.demon.co.uk>
The Hite Report on Male Sexuality, pp. 397-398 // Anne LaMott, "Operating Instructions" / Bradley Wells <QHRQ11B[AT-sign]prodigy.com>
(It doesn't, of course - on the contrary.)
The Hite Report on Male Sexuality, pp. 397-398
Lisa <ljahmed[AT-sign]mailcity.co>
Gomez, British Journal of Urology 1997; 80:357-361 / Gomez et al, British Journal of Urology (1996), 78, 959-960
(This is nonsense. The state of the foreskin has no effect on the urethra. They probably meant his foreskin was too long - for their comfort.)
I. H. personal communication
Posted Feb 24, 2000, on ParentSpace by chelle_ken
Reported in the Canadian Medical Association Journal, Vol 95 (Sept 10, 1966), pages 576-581 /
Beth on www.parenthoodweb.com
/ Canadian Medical Association Journal, Vol 95 (Sept 10, 1966), pages 576-581 / The Hite Report on Male Sexuality, pp. 397-398
Patrick Muigai in the LA Times, March 30, 2008
www.pregnancy.org
(Only the South Korean genotype, it seems)
A teacher in South Korea to Matthew L <mjl[AT-sign]f1.net.au>
Br J Urol 1996 Nov; 78(5): 786-788
(They probably just took the opportunity to c. him when they were draining his scrotum. Maybe they lied, maybe he misunderstood.)
A schoolfriend of John D. Dalton <cole[AT-sign]dentfell.demon.co.uk>
Dr Thomas Wiswell, Knight-Ridder newspapers 2/Apr/97
Dr Edgar Schoen, quoted in USA Today, July 1995
A man at a NORM-SoCal meeting, sent by Gary Harryman <Glharryman[AT-sign]aol.com>
Dr. Abraham Ravich
(A rare skin condition affecting the whole body)
A friend of Nathan Kennard <nathankennard[AT-SIGN]hotmail.com>
These papillae coronis are perfectly normal and common.
A correspondent to David Stevens <davidstevens[AT-sign]sbcglobal.net>
Canadian Medical Association Journal, Vol 95 (Sept 10, 1966), pages 576-581
A schistosome is a threadworm. Symptomatology is the study of symptoms.
Gerald N. Weiss M.D. <gnweiss,frii.com>
A caller to the Howard Stern Show, September 4, 2003
P C Remondino, 1891
Geoffrey T. Falk
(He had.)
MBLNovoa <chuff[AT-sign]pacbell.net:>
The foreskin is the tip of the penis
Supplied by Pat a. Miller <patm.tapsac.nocircoh[AT-sign]juno.com>
Posted by Jim to fathermag.com, Nov 5, 2007
On this basis, the same study found 49% of intact men to be "abnormal"
Osmond TE. Is routine circumcision advisable? J Royal
Army Med Corps. 1953; 99:254.
Jason Ashley//
A nursing graduate to Coontail <coontail[AT-sign]my-deja.com> /
In "a local daily paper" submitted by <gdavis[AT-sign]griffin.emba.uvm.edu> (Gary Davis)
From Darillyn Starr <Sstar[AT-sign]vii.com>
An anonymous poster on misc.kids.pregnancy
[Name removed at writer's request]
Peter Patterson, Toronto,
Canada, personal communication.
a respected gynecologist, doctor's union official, and a political power in the Institute Mexicano Seguro Social (Social Security) to Dr Sergio Aguilar
In the Philippines, where boys are circumcised before adolescence.
Janma, writing in Indonesia Matters on March 18th, 2008. She goes on: "we all looked at him somewhat blankly before collapsing into laughter. He never mentioned it again." - a fitting reaction to many (if not all) of these reasons.
Combined tonsillectomy and circumcision became so common it was called "T & C"
One mother told Suzanne Cooke <Scookie5[AT-sign]aol.com> how she'd fought in 1977 to keep her son intact, but they got him when they were bringing down a testicle.
dvoskuil[AT-sign]tic.bisman.com (Duane Voskuil Ph.D.)
Recommended by Dr Manuel Neto of North Dakota to Mona Goheen, who wrote to the National Post, October 27, 1999
ADOLESCENT
Beth on www.parenthoodweb.com
John Kellog, 1888
*Lewis A. Sayre, 1870s (vehemently opposed to routine c., though)
An angry man to nurse Mary Conant <wholebaby2[AT-sign]juno.com>
ADULT
D-----, friend of B------, was 26, and it was done at his parents' behest in Colombia while he was under general anaesthetic for another operation. Personal communication./Dear Abby, June 9, 2006
/ Bud Berkeley, "Foreskin", p 153
Dr Charles E. Briggs was surgeon of the 54th Massachusetts
Infantry, a unit of black soldiers. Private James Riley was accused of bestiality with a mare, but acquitted. Nevertheless Dr Briggs had the soldier bound and gagged, then performed a punitive circumcision and mutilated the soldier's penis with a hot iron, all without anesthetics. (For this malpractice, torture, assault, and battery, Briggs was court-martialled.) - Tarnished Scalpels: The Court-Martials of Fifty Union Surgeons by Thomas P. Lowry and Jack D. Welsh, Stackpole Books.
(Read reviews and order from Amazon.com)
"Babyboy", New York,
On the ABC programme "The View", comedienne Joy Behar suggested this for actor Mel Gibson after his drunken anti-Semitic tirade on July 21, 2006
(syphilis) Jonathan Hutchinson, 1856
told by a Navy medic to the father of a correspondent with Ken Avery <kenny318east3rd[AT-sign]hotmail.com>, 1950s
Friends of Gabrielle Rhodes' husband <rhodes38[AT-sign]home.com>
Metro (NZ) September 1999
Pacific Star (NZ) February/March 1999
Told to Tom H. <workhard[AT-sign]home.com> of Oshawa, Southern Ontario in 1954 by his family
(This belief is widespread, and has no foundation.)
An anonymous poster on misc.kids.pregnancy
Tried on HY's mother in 1942, and by Kim Saffron's mother in 1964 / Darillyn Starr <Sstar[AT-sign]vii.com>
(As the man himself said, wouldn't his foreksin protect him in that case?) / According to emedicine, crotch rot (Tinea cruris) typically spares the penis and scrotum.
Brother of G--- J---; personal communication. / Posted on YouTube by JoeBobOneHalf
Prof. DaiSik Kim
Canadian Medical Association Journal, Vol 95 (Sept 10, 1966), pages 576-581 / Helen Bryce <bryce[AT-sign]cruzio.com> quoting Dodie Hall on fgm-l citing Marvin Zindler of LeGrange, TX / Randy Reinhart >randyr[AT-sign]connect.net<
Told by "jmgcoonhunter" on circumsexual.com on Nov 6, 2007 Notice that nowhere is any actual reason given.
D.J. Toman <milesian[AT-sign]asiaonline.net.tw> / "The Virgin Soldiers" (film, 1969, UK)
Darillyn Starr <Sstar[AT-sign]vii.com>
Advice column, Friction magazine, August 1989 (advised against allowing it) / Tom Hodgson ordered it for his "lover"/slave, Robert McEwan in Perth, Australia, in the 1980s. McEwan stabbed Hodgson 42 times in 1994. express newspaper, Auckland NZ, February 8, 1997 and Outrage, Sydney
A friend of B--- M---; personal communication
Tim Huisamen <AKTH[AT-sign]warthog.ru.ac.za>
Dr Dave Mirkin. It turns out he means "much more creative in lovemaking" based on the Laumanns' finding that circumcised men of some ethnicities masturbate more and have more oral sex than intact men. Creative?
Noël Coward to Derek Jacobi, told in the Daily Telegraph, July 16, 2002
These two together make one wonder about John Wilkes Booth....
A friend of Ari Zigelboim <ariz[AT-sign]communique.net>
"John Hobson"<johnhobson[AT-sign]ntlworld.com> on alt.circumcision. He didn't take the option of trimming the hair seriously, suggesting this was not the real reason.
/ Gene McGough <genem[AT-sign]caveman.net>
Genesis 34:14-25
Ari Zigelboim <ariz[AT-sign]communique.net>
In 1996 in Queensland, an Aboriginal woman identified as "Gladys" told Ambrose John Neal to "make a man of" Irwin Brookdale, which he did with a broken bottle. Brookdale got $A10,000 in damages. AFP Oct 8, 1997. / /
An Algerian man describing life under colonial French rule in the film "Circoncision"
Sir Richard Burton - the explorer, not the actor
Reported in Gay News (UK) April 2005
Constable & Robinson Ltd, London, 2005, ISBN 1-84119-955-9, p 178.
Read reviews and buy this book from Amazon.com
Article by Herb Keinon in The Jerusalem Post, Oct 18, 1991
The father of mervyn <mcripps[AT-sign]mergetel.com>
Bud Berkeley, "Foreskin", p 31
(Xhosa said they would not vote for an intact man, April 1999) / Kikuyu tribe members forcibly circumcised Luo in riots after the election of a Luo, January 2008
John Lallo, 62, of Kibera, Kenya, January 2008
R--, personal communication (26 May 2002), circumcised in his fifties without him having presented any symptoms
White South African performance artist Peet Pienaar, October 2000
Pienaar again when African cultural objections were raised to the first proposal
Pienaar again in the final event. The exhibit included close-up video of the circumcision and the foreskin itself in formaldehyde
(False. Men in non-circumcising countries are routinely catheterised while intact)
According to Dr Gerald N. Weiss <gnweiss[AT-sign]frii.com>
Bud Berkeley, "Foreskin", p 31
According to the Dogon of West Africa
Adrian E. Cristobal in Manilla News Online, July 20, 2003
Rabbi David Zaslow, "Circumcision and Brit: They're Not the Same Thing" Tikkun May/June 2001
MARRIAGE AND SEX
A CULTURAL APPROACH TO
HIV/AIDS PREVENTION AND CARE, by
Dr. Maria Antónia Castelo
Dr. Miguel Gaspan and
Dr. Balbina Ventura Félix
Rabbi Reuven Bulka of the congregation Machzikei Hadas, Ottawa (Ottawa Citizen, Oct 21, 1997)
Father of Carl Schutt, author of "I want my Foreskin for Giftmas"
Maimonides, Guide for the Perplexed, p.378 of the Dover edition, 1956
"pantera" <nick_msk[AT-sign]hotmail.com> on alt.circumcision on 20 Mar 2003
Canadian Medical Association Journal, Vol 95 (Sept 10, 1966), pages 576-581
BMJ, (1998;316:1438-1441 9 May)
(and she was giving them to him...)
Told to <dvoskuil[AT-sign]tic.bisman.com> (Duane Voskuil Ph.D.)
Jason Ashley // Bradley Wells <QHRQ11B[AT-sign]prodigy.com>
Adrian E. Cristobal in Manilla News Online, July 20, 2003
Letter to Suzanne Cook <nocircofmaine[AT-sign]juno.com>
/ Attributed to an Australian medical journal
(!)
Said by Edgar Schoen, Today Show, 11/11/98 apprently in refernce to Williamson & Williamson's survey of Iowa women
(1 Sam 18 25-7)
Reported in "NZ Truth" / A father to nurse Mary Conant <wholebaby2[AT-sign]juno.com> / told to <BFKOUBA[AT-sign]aol.com> by a Japanese youth who failed at self-c. / "South Park" May 20, 1998
Told by a respected gynecologist, doctors' union official, and political power in the Institute Mexicano Seguro Social (Social Security), to Dr Sergio Aquilar, who told Gary Harriman<Glharryman[AT-sign]aol.com>
Chris "sianick1994" <sianick1994@yahoo.co.uk> in the Yahoo group circumcision_pro_and_con, Oct 1, 2003
The Hite Report on Male Sexuality, pp. 397-398
(Herero of Namibia)
John Pritchard <jpritcha[AT-sign]escape.ca> alt.circumcision Nov 17, 1998
The Hite Report on Male Sexuality, pp. 397-398
/ http://www.circlist.org/cconsider.html
OLD AGE
Abraham Wolbarst, 1914
Canadian Medical Association Journal, Vol 95 (Sept 10, 1966), pages 576-581
Shirley Murray on the Australian "60 Minutes" discussion board / Ruth Frank, RN, CS, VA Medical Center, Durham, NC, in PEDIATRICS Vol. 106 No. 4 October 2000, pp. 954
Shirley Murray on the Australian "60 Minutes" discussion board
Dr Gerald N. Weiss <gnweiss[AT-sign]frii.com>
POSTHUMOUS
(Korea) Kukmin Ilbo, Sep. 24, 1996, cited by DaiSik Kim in "Male circumcision: a South Korean perspective", British Journal of Urology, Vol 83 Jan 1999
(why a Jewish baby who dies before his Bris must be circumcised at the graveside)
Code of
Jewish Law, ... by Rabbi Solomon Ganzfried (NY, Hebrew Publishing Co, 1961)
vol 4, p 44
A Cohen, Everyman's Talmud, (New York, Schocken, 1975) p 381
...BUT:
- Maimonides
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[To provide skin for repair of his hypospadias - removed, since alternatives have been found] |
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To provide skin for repair of his burnt eyelids |
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To provide mucosa for a vaginoplasty (sex-change) |
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To treat cancer of his foreskin |
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To treat gangene/frostbite |
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[As a treatement of last resort for chronic balanitis (inflammation) due to diabetes] Removed. |
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If the circumcision wound gets infected, making you wear a condom, and your lover has HIV, it could save your life. (This happened to Peter Frazer, Roy Cohn's lover - the only confirmed instance of circumcision saving a life! A New Zealander, he'd had himself circumcised to "look more American") |
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Because you are an adult who want it done to yourself. |
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